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Great VFA players who could have been superstars in the VFL
Great VFA players who could have been superstars with the then VFL How many ex VFA players would have been great players in the VFL. They had potential to cut it but either did not have the attitude or commitment. Ian Rickman did ok in a few games with the dogs including a 7 goal haul on Keith Grieg as a 17 year old. Spider Shaw only played 2 games with Fitzroy which included a 5 goal haul. Rino Pretto played one game with the Roys but ended up a superstar in the VFA. There are many you could add to this list Fire away and see how many we could add to it. Wouldn't be a bad side either.
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[quote="vfa"]Great VFA players who could have been superstars with the then VFL How many ex VFA players would have been great players in the VFL. They had potential to cut it but either did not have the attitude or commitment. Ian Rickman did ok in a few games with the dogs including a 7 goal haul on Keith Grieg as a 17 year old. Spider Shaw only played 2 games with Fitzroy which included a 5 goal haul. Rino Pretto played one game with the Roys but ended up a superstar in the VFA. There are many you could add to this list Fire away and see how many we could add to it. Wouldn't be a bad side either.[/quote] I know he starred when he finally got there, but imagine how good Frank Johnson would've been with South Melbourne if he had made his debut for them at 23 instead of 28. Harold Martin - another one-game wonder for the Roy Boys. Neil Jordan - I don't know how good he was, but I work with his brother. Says that Neil could've gone further with Carlton than he did, but Neil preferred the more...ahem...'relaxed' emphasis on fitness in the VFA (ie same problem as 'Spider' Shaw) Fred Cook - a promising centre half-back with Footscray whose off-field indiscretions led to him being dumped by the Dogs and heading to Yarraville. Apparently he had a few useful games later on as a full-forward with Port Melbourne :wink: 'Frosty' Miller - I don't think Barassi was a fan. Plenty more besides these blokes. But would be interested to see what other names come up.
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Billy the kid yo would have a few great VFA players in your time that could have been also great VFL players. I actually wouldn't put Frank Johnson because he did make it, albeit at a later age. If he went to South a few years earlier he could have been classed one of the all time greats. Joe Radojevic would not have played many games at Geelong ? Not sure how many if he indeed played seniors with the cats at all. Tony Gilmore was another great player as was former Williamstown centreman and state cricketer Les Stillman. Dallas Patterson was a high flyer with the seagulls and might have had a couple of games with the dogs. Derek King who won a liston and also a feild medal had a few games with the saints. He was elusive and skillful.
billythekid
I most likely forgotten a few by now but here are some Terry Wilkins at Sandy comes to mind he had a few games at Footscray and a handfull at Melbourne but was a mighty player at the VFA level with the Zebras. Lindsay Fox StKilda then Moorabbin a true mongrel on the field.. Peter Schofield Nth Melbourne then Moorabbin kicked once 22 goals against Sandy in the 1950s Keith Burns Collingwood to Sandy won a Liston Trophy in 1962 There are many many more ex VFL rejects that old VFA supporters would know of. Nowadays that sort of player hangs around the AFL system a lot longer and are drafted but in the past the VFL clubs were reluctant to clear players to other VFL clubs so many great players came to the VFA esp from mid 1960s to mid 1980s which now can be looked back as the golden era of the Sweet VFA.
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:D Sandy had a few really good ones in the 90's , Shane "Axel'' Foley a brilliant midfielder that St. Kilda looked at hard but being a Zebra he wasn't considered, serves them right he played 3 premierships for Sandy and was brilliant for years. Coming from Collingwood was Andrew Tarpey who played in Sandys '92 Premiership and was invited to join Richmond but declined and stayed at Sandy to help win the '94 flag and with Andrew Krakour were both terrific as ruck and rover and around the ground. Barry Zeuschner ( brother of Footscray Murray) a half forward kicked many a goal with the Zebras and one day 9 against Oakleigh and always a player to be watched by the opposition. Ian Hutchison (brother of racing gentleman Bill) was a top half forward flanker and a great left foot kick in the 70's and won many a game for the Zebras , could have been anything if the right people at the time looked at him. John Ward another top forward who's good marking game and a long kick would have been in the mix also. There are many more but individuals don't win flags , it's a team effort. go zebs zebra :wink:
theobserver
I'll throw in a guy who used to play at Dandenong in the late 80s and early 1990s, a big, aggressive fellow named Gary Milligan (yep, they called him Spike). He was as nimble as a rover but a tremendous mark and a lovely tap ruckman. I'm certain that if he'd got a chance somewhere, he'sd have made it. My word he could play - and, boy, could he look after himself. VFA, I'm sure you would remember him.
paulamy
Denis Knight and Johnny Carroll were two players I greatly admired at Springvale in the 1990s. It beggars belief that Knight never played a game of league football. He was with Melbourne for a time but for whatever reason the Dees let him go and he went to Dandenong to play in a premiership in 1992. Then he transferred to Springvale and became the best player in the competition, a fellow who shifted the course of games with equal measures of skill and will. He was named ruck rover in the VFA/VFL team of the decade. Later, he led Noble Park to premierships in the Eastern league. He was a champion footballer and an outstanding man. Carroll (brother of Damian) won a Melbourne reserves best and fairest before coming to Springy. His skills were as sharp as a whetted knife and he could get the ball in a pack and take off like an Olympic sprinter. He was a dynamic player. It was such a shame that a back injury put him out of the game at the age of 25. Good topic, George.
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Some great names in this thread, and I reckon in the '90s Rhett Bowden was a chance to make it at AFL level. I think he played a couple of Reserve games at Richmond before coming over to Port (along with brothers Sean and Kane). Terrific midfielder who dominated games at Port at his best.

 


jb
Williamstown players i saw play would have been: Brett McTaggart - played Essendon reserves in the bombers back to back years of 1984/85, so was unlucky Kevin Hughes - tough little bloke who finally got picked by North, but had a career ending knee injury in his first game, which was Norths Round 1 game of 1988. Mark Fotheringham - Essendon thought he was lazy, but was terrific lead and kick. Bill Swan Troy West - very good defender, great judgment, and shone when playing alongside collingwood players. Rickman and Ghazi, while great players, werent built right for the VFL. Ghazi was too short, and Rickman wasn't tall enough for key position, and too bulky to be consistently effective on the ball or a flank. Players from other clubs i saw who were superb were; Peter Stevenson (Camberwell) - very skillful and classy Jamie Shaw (Preston) - was easily skilled enough for VFL Robbie Evans (Coburg) - full back Reno Pretto (Camberwell, Coburg, Oakleigh and Dandenong) - wasted in defence most of his career, then excelled at full forward. Prahrans 1978 back line of Thornton, Foley and Anderson (Thornton did get the chance (Fitzroy ?) and did well). Springvale and Sandy's 90's teams were full of excellent footballers, and Port had a bunch in the '70's, many of which could have done well given the opportunities in the VFL.
billythekid
Rev Dennis Oakley (brother of Ross) at Sandy 1960s was a great full forward kicked 19 goals in a game and 109 for the season . Had a preseason at St Kilda but Killegrew said he was too slow for VFL footy at the time.(I dont think they hit it off) Played on a wing against Tassie at Toorak Park and was one of the best players that day for the winning VFA side. His brother a has said many times Dennis was the better player and should have played over a hundred VFL matches. Considering some of the duds Sandy has had from ST Kilda over the years that did play many VFL games I think Ross is 100% correct. Bruce Harper 1950s is another Zebra full forward great who could have played VFL if he had wanted to.
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How about Camberwell's Garry Hammond! The most spectacular player I've seen in 62 years of watching football. If only some of those fantastic screamers had been captured on video. Apart from his great leap, he was fast on the lead and was a deadly kick. Forget how many goals he kicked, but must have been 700-800? He got some brutal tratment from the thugs of the time in teams like Dandenong, Box Hill and Caulfield. At least twice he was bashed by one Alan Harper, who should have been barred for life!

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